Jewish historians and religious textbooks acknowledge the fact, though the propagandists of Jewish nationalism belittle it as pro-Arab propaganda. Somewhat ironically, Volume IV of the Jewish Encyclopedia - because this publication spells Khazars with a "C" instead of a "K" - is titled "Chazars to Dreyfus": and it was the Dreyfus trial, as interpreted by Theodor Herzl, which made the modern Jewish Khazars of Russia forget their descent from converts to Judaism and accept anti-Semitism as proof of their Palestinian origin. Jewish Encyclopedia.com
[Note how Alfred clearly implied that the current Zionist narrative about Khazars is actually the antisemitic narrative; which could be traced to Martin Luther and later many others in the Protestant Reformation movement propagated this myth which Zionists & Nazis employed politically (four centuries later) to gain political power. In other words, Zionists used antisemitic argument to sell Zionism to Jews & Christians which was Theodor Herzl's marching order: antisemites will become Zionists' best friends. That is stunning! To learn more about Herzl's antisemitism and how that affected Zionists from the beginning, we urge your read his Mauschel article, then you will understand that Zionists' antisemitism was done by design. Weaponizing Jewish hate was Zionists golden goose, it keeps on going, that is why Europe's Jews didn't want to be part of them.]
Similarly, Shlomo Sand (a renowned professor of history at Tel Aviv University) provided another interesting detail that enforces the earlier conclusion; pay attention to our analysis after the quotation:
As far back as 1828, the Ribal (Rabbi Isaac Ber Levinson) said that the ancient language of the Jews was not Yiddish. Even Ben Zion Dinur, the father of Israeli historiography, was not hesitant about describing the Khazars as the origin of the Jews in Eastern Europe, and describes Khazaria as 'the mother of the diasporas' in Eastern Europe. But more or less since 1967, anyone who talks about the Khazars as the ancestors of the Jews of Eastern Europe is considered naive and moonstruck.
What Mr. Sand stated implies that the current Zionist narrative about the Khazars (i.e., that it's an antisemitic conspiracy theory) evolved only after the 6-Day War. Here is also a page scan from a book by David Ben-Gurion as late as January 1966, stating that Palestinians were the majority of the population as early as 1914. In another book, he implied that Palestinian Arabs were descendants of the original Israelites who converted. Again, this proves that the current Zionists' narrative (Palestine was empty for two thousand years until Zionist Jews bloomed its Negev desert) was concocted out of thin air way after the facts. The 6-Day War MUST have been a turning point when MOST American Jews became hardcore Zionists, but why after the 6-Day War and not before? Why not after Nakba, when Palestine was emptied and Palestinians were replaced and dispossessed? That said, this conclusion implies that American Jews are complicit in propagating the big lies about Palestine and its people. How, when they lie about replacing Palestinians, that does not add credence to far-right claims that "Jews are working hard to replace them"? It's as if American Jews got themselves stuck in a self-defeating feedback loop: to help Israel, they've promoted big lies about Palestine and its people that result in fomenting antisemitism, which ended up working against them! It is worth noting that before WWII, it is well documented how Zionists fomented antisemitism for political gains; that is why Europe's Jews were mostly antizionists and considered Zionists as the enemy from within.
Analysis
Rational people should keep an open mind that Europe's Ashkenazi Jewish community:
A) may have a Middle Eastern connection to Palestine,
B) their European physical features (which match their neighbors in Eastern and Central Europe, i.e., hair, eye & skin coloring, ..etc) may have been caused by a freak genetic mutation that evolved in a very short time since "exodus" in exile, which is the exact opposite to Indian Gypsies' experience (a.k.a Romani people) who appeared in that part of the world almost at the exact time (who retained much of their language, traditions and physical features to this date),
C) Yiddish may have had roots in Semitic languages (although Yiddish is mostly an old Germanic language), and
D) it was a mere coincidence (its probability has not been calculated yet) that they made former Khazari territories their home as the Jewish empire collapsed. It is also possible that
E) the mass majority of Khazari Jews may have vanished, and only a few of them intermixed with the Ashkenazi Jewish community.
Irrespective of how ridiculous the prior assumptions seem, YES, we need to keep an open mind that "any" of those assumptions "could be true". On the other hand, the onus is on those who defy the earlier facts and logic to provide solid scientific evidence PLUS logical arguments away from nationalistic fervor, and above all, the evidence should be sourced independently from eastern and central European Jewish history studies. These DNA studies open their data to peer reviews (i.e., DNA data sets used in several "prominent DNA studies" have been closed), linguistic, literature, and archeological studies, as provided earlier.
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b.) the 2013 study has come under credible attack from multiple sources. Elhaik's science was laughably bad and if the Jews WERE descended from Khazars they would have had a turkic component in their DNA that didn't show up.
c.) The sources the article trusts are of dubious quality; note they also sad that the viking founders of Russia were Khazars. To quote Rational wiki
" The actual Khazars would likely have been assimilated by the Krymchaks (Crimean Jews) following the fall of Khazaria. Even so, the Krymchaks had a long history of assimilating other Jews who came to the Crimea, so their ancestry is still largely Levantine"
The Ashkenazi Jews as Khazars claim is rightfully rejected as garbage by most academics, and that the website honestly endorses it is misguided at best. I get that Zionists have made false claims over the years but this is not the way
انما للفلسطينيين منذ الازل فلسطين ليست لليهود
Nature Communications 4, Article number: 2543 doi:10.1038/ncomms3543
Received 11 July 2013 Accepted 04 September 2013 Published 08 October 2013
Dr. Martin Richards (and company) say the European Jews primarily descend from European converts (on the maternal side) which he traces to Roman Empire era conversions in Southern Europe (specifically Italy). Other based researchers: like Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin, Steven M. Bray et al. 2010, and even Harry Ostrer have argued the same. Dr. Eran Elhaik of Johns Hopkins University has proven the Khazarian hypothesis. On this new study Elhaik says on Richards' work
Eran Elhaik, a research associate studying genetics at the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, is split. He agreed with the study authors that the study rules out a Near Eastern origin for many mitochondrial lineages of the Ashkenazis but disagreed that it rules out a Khazarian contribution. “Jews and non-Jews residing in the regions of Khazaria are underrepresented, which biases the results toward Europe as we have seen in many other studies,” he said in an e-mail to The Scientist. Elhaik recently concluded from autosomal DNA that European Jews did, in fact, have a Khazarian background.
There was no supposed "exile" in 70 CE as Professor Shlomo Sand showed. On that see Jeremiah Haber's article entitled "No, Rivkele, The Jews Weren't Driven into Exile by the Romans" and the work of historian Jacob Yuval entitled "The Myth of the Jewish Exile from the Land of Israel: A Demonstration of Irenic Scholarship" irenic means Christian here and is referring to the idea of a supposed 70 CE "exile" by the Romans being a Christian developed myth to INSULT Jews actually!
January 17, 2013 AFP: Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews
Quote- PARIS — Jews of European origin are a mix of ancestries, with many hailing from tribes in the Caucasus who converted to Judaism and created an empire that lasted half a millennium, according to a gene study.
The investigation, its author says, should settle a debate that has been roiling for more than two centuries.
Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazis, account for some 90 percent of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today.
end quote.
Again historian Jacob Yuval notes and demonstrates in his scholarly writing that the myth of a supposed "Jewish exile" (whether it is claimed to have been by the Romans in after either 70 CE or by the Romans after the Bar Kokhba rebellion of 132 CE- 135 CE) is merely a myth that was actually started by Christians (chiefly in Europe to try "explain" the presence of followers of the religion of Judaism with them in Europe) and which from there LATER entered (via Christian thinking) into Jewish thinking and in modern times of course meshed very well with Zionist ideology (of supposedly "returning" or making "aliyah" to the alleged "long lost homeland"). When in actually historian Professor Shlomo Sand notes on page 134 of his "The Invention of the Jewish People" that "Israel Jacob Yuval, a historian at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, went further. He proposed to show that the renewed Jewish myth about the exile in fact arose fairly late, and was due mainly to the rise of Christian mythology about the Jews being exiled in punishment for their rejection and crucifixion of Jesus." So in actuality Zionists are taking what was originally an anti-Jewish Christian developed myth and using it for their own modern purposes!
Dr. Eran Elhaik "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses" Genome Biol Evol (2012) doi: 10.1093/gbe/evs119 First published online: December 14, 2012
Dr. Eran Elhaik's summary is "Our findings support the Khazarian Hypothesis and portray the European Jewish genome as a mosaic of Caucasus, European, and Semitic ancestries, thereby consolidating previous contradictory reports of Jewish ancestry. We further describe major difference among Caucasus populations explained by early presence of Judeans in the Southern and Central Caucasus. Our results have important implications on the demographic forces that shaped the genetic diversity in the Caucasus and medical studies."
And one should see the recent "haaretz" article on Dr. Eran Elhaik's work "Ofer Aderet: The Jewish People's Ultimate Treasure Hunt"
"In his search for Jewish ancestry, researcher Eran Elhaik says he has discovered that Jews originated in the Khazar empire, not the kingdom of Judah." (mirrored from the original at "haaretz" on salem-news . com website) the relevant quotes from there.
"The bottom line, he claims, is that the 'genome of European Jews is a mosaic of ancient peoples and its origin is largely Khazar.'
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Elhaik, who disputes Ostrer's study, claims that previous research on the subject 'has NO empirical basis, sometimes even CONTRADICTS ITSELF and offers conclusions that are simply NOT convincing.'
'It is my impression,' he adds, 'that their results were written BEFORE they began the research. First they shot their arrow - AND THEN they painted the bull's-eye around it.'
And to conclude "haaretz" journalist Ofer Aderet himself notes the following about Dr. Eran Elhaik's latest research supporting the Khazar hypothesis: "One of the scholars who reviewed the article before its publication described it as more profound than all the previous studies on the ancestry of the Jewish people."
His conclusion that there is "little evidence to substantiate the theory" is the one important quote that Koestler, Sand and other proponents of this theory fail to mention! Jewish migration into Central Europe is clearly evident right along the Amber Road from the Middle East and nowhere along the roads directly from Central Asia. There is simply no historical or archaeological evidence for this theory. Jews, Like the Palestinians have genetic inheritance from all the conquering tribes of the Middle East as well as from all the areas they have dwelt in - there is no such prominent "Khazar gene". We know from Arab, Jewish and Russian historians that only a small number of Khazars in the court of their king converted to Judaism, so how could they become the basis for the masses of European Jewry? There is no verification of Ibn al-Faqih's quote, in fact Arab historians in the 10th century quoted by Prof. D. M. Dunlop reported that most of the Khazars population were Muslims and that only the king and the nobles immediately serving him converted.
See studies like: biology-direct . com geneticist Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin, Ph.D. "The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms" published on October 6, 2010
pnas . org Bray et al. 2010 "Signatures of founder effects, admixture, and selection in the Ashkenazi Jewish population" showing that Ashkenazi Jews cluster closer to Europeans ("Tuscans, Italians, and French") than to Middle Easterners; and saying Ashkenazi Jews have European "admixture" ranging (in that study) from 35% to 55% (other studies go as high as 60%).
As for Khazars, Ashkenazi Jews have haplogroups R1a1 (R-M17), Q, and G2c that are thought to be Khazar inputs into these Jews. And most recently in August 2012 geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik, Ph.D. of the esteemed School of Medicine of Johns Hopkins University released his study "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses" at arxiv . org which is owned by Cornell University.
That being said; people from the Caucasus region are not even white. Many of them look like lighter complexioned arabs and persians. They look similar to Jews sometimes because both caucasians and jews have middle eastern and european admixture.
Think of Jews as a mixture between Semitic Levantines and 'White' people.
Also two other important studies; first from Bray et al. 2010 at pnas.org (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America); "The fixation index, FST, calculated concurrently to the PCA, confirms that there is a closer relationship between the AJ (Ashkenazi Jews) and several European populations (Tuscans, Italians, and French) than between the AJ (Ashkenazi Jews) and Middle Eastern populations (Fig. S2B). This finding can be visualized with a phylogenetic tree built using the FST data (Fig. S2C), showing that the AJ (Ashkenazi Jewish) population branches with the Europeans and not Middle Easterners. Two recent studies performing PCA and population clustering with high-density SNP genotyping from many Jewish Diaspora populations, both showed that of the Jewish populations, the Ashkenazi consistently cluster closest to Europeans"
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"Using these proxy ancestral populations, we calculated the amount of European admixture in the AJ (Ashkenazi Jewish) population to be 35 to 55%."
And from then from the work of academic Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin a geneticist from "Tel Aviv University" (that sits on land stolen from the Palestinian village of Shaykh Al-Muwannis. Modern "Tel Aviv-Yafo" aka Yaffa sits on the land of seven destroyed and looted Palestinian villages: "Zochrot has documented 7 Palestinian villages on which Tel Aviv is built: Shaykh Muwannis, Summayl, Jammasin al-Gharbi, al-Manshyyah, Salama, Abu Kabir, Fishermen Village, and Irsheed.")
"According to the autosomal polymorphisms the investigated Jewish populations do NOT share a common origin, and EEJ (Eastern European Jews) are closer to Italians in particular and to Europeans in general than to the other Jewish populations. The similarity of EEJ to Italians and Europeans is also supported by the X chromosomal haplogroups."
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Conclusions
The close genetic resemblance to Italians accords with the historical presumption that Ashkenazi Jews started their migrations across Europe in Italy and with historical evidence that CONVERSION to Judaism was common in ancient Rome. The reasons for the discrepancy between the biparental markers and the uniparental markers are discussed.
Eran Elhaik (August 6, 2012) Eran Elhaik, PhD from John Hopkins University
The question of Jewish ancestry has been the subject of controversy for over two centuries and has yet to be resolved. The "Rhineland Hypothesis" proposes that Eastern European Jews emerged from a small group of German Jews who migrated eastward and expanded rapidly. Alternatively, the "Khazarian Hypothesis" suggests that Eastern European descended from Judean tribes who joined the Khazars, an amalgam of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries CE and converted to Judaism in the 8th century. The Judaized Empire was continuously reinforced with Mesopotamian and Greco-Roman Jews until the 13th century. Following the collapse of their empire, the Judeo-Khazars fled to Eastern Europe. The rise of European Jewry is therefore explained by the contribution of the Judeo-Khazars. Thus far, however, their contribution has been estimated only empirically; the absence of genome-wide data from Caucasus populations precluded testing the Khazarian Hypothesis. Recent sequencing of modern Caucasus populations prompted us to revisit the Khazarian Hypothesis and compare it with the Rhineland Hypothesis. We applied a wide range of population genetic analyses - including principal component, biogeographical origin, admixture, identity by descent, allele sharing distance, and uniparental analyses - to compare these two hypotheses. Our findings support the Khazarian Hypothesis and portray the European Jewish genome as a mosaic of Caucasus, European, and Semitic ancestries, thereby consolidating previous contradictory reports of Jewish ancestry.
Quote- THE SCAM OF JEWISH GENETICS.
Mr. Scholomo Sand is right. His theory is supported by common-sense and volumes of other literature.
I have looked at these studies that are reported in the media showing genetic linkage between Judaists (people who are called “Jews”.
Most of these studies are defective. They DO NOT prove that all Judaists are linked genetically and distinct from all other people.
Most of these studies are sponsored by Judaists, and carried out by Judaists at Jewish institutions. After some genetic analysis, the authors publish papers with misleading titles, suggesting they have proven Jewish genetic linkage. The authors then put out press releases claiming to have “proven” that all Judaists are genetically related and distinct from all other people. The media, much of it Jewish controlled, reports this non-sense in hundreds of newspapers and magazines, where thousands of people read it and get misled.
Very few people bother to go and read the actual paper. Even fewer still bother to get data from the authors and verify the data or the statistical methods used.
I have read and couple of these papers proving Jewish genetic linkage and found them to be quite unreliable.
One study, with a sensational title, purported to show that on a scatter diagram, the Judaists and non-Judaists form distinct areas. On reading through it, it was clear that authors entire thesis had collapsed. The data that did not fit the theory they set out to prove (i.e. Judaists who were genetically different) was removed as “outliers.” This is called selection bias, and invalidates the study. Secondly, the authors, unable to find any gene that was unique to the Jewish group, claim to have used a “combination”. However, nowhere in the paper they specify this combination.
Since everybody is unique (except for idential twins), we all have a unique set of genes. By using a complex enough combination I can prove that all the people, even if they are all of the same race, in one town are genetically related and distinct from all the people in the other town (assuming there are no identical twins, with one of them in each town). This does not have to be a town; it can be any collection, such as stockholders of a company and non-stocholders, rich vs. poor, people born in January vs. February, people born in even year or on even date vs. odd date.
How? Let us assume there are only 3 genes, and only 2 people in each group called North and South Towns as follows:
North Town South Town
ABC DEF
UVW XYZ
I now create a super-variable SUPER that is a function of the combination of genes, as follows:
If Genes = ABC or genes = UVW then SUPER = 1.
If Genes = DEF or genes = XYZ then SUPER = 2.
If I put them on a one dimensional axis, North Town will be clustered at 1 and South Town at 2 on a scatter diagram. I would have then proven that using a Super variable that looks at all the genes, North Town people are genetically related and distinct from South Town people.
Are they really? They are not at all!
Selection bias (such as excluding black Judaists), small sample size, non-random samples, using samples of people already likely to be related, and convoluted super-variables designed to prove what they want to prove, false conclusions and false press releases are some of the common tactics used by the so-called “scientists” trying to prove Jewish relatedness.
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And then on so-called "Jewish mothers" they are NOT related!
Quote- Jewish females from the same backgrounds, on the other hand, yield opposite results: their mitochondrial DNA has markedly less resemblance to that of Jewish women from elsewhere than it does to that of non-Jewish women in the countries their families hailed from. ... In the absence of rabbis to perform conversions, they [male Jewish immigrants to new lands] married local women who, while consenting to live as Jews, were NOT halakhically Jewish
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For scientific analysis of Jewish DNA, the research paper 'Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry', is a sound piece of research and for MtDNA I would recommend 'Founding Mothers of Jewish Communities: Geographically Separated Jewish Groups Were Independently Founded by Very Few Female Ancestors'.
As for Professor Sand, his is a political narrative and neither relates to the modern genetic knowledge or to objectively based historical analysis.
If there is to be a sustainable solution to the Middle East conflict it needs to be based on the facts and the firm application of equal rights and not groundless fantasies which seek to marginalise and oppress one people or another!
Quote- Sand’s answer is rather simple, yet it makes a lot of sense. “The people did not spread, but the Jewish religion spread. Judaism was a converting religion. Contrary to popular opinion, in early Judaism there was a great thirst to convert others.”
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“The Hasmoneans,” says Sand (14) “were the first to begin to produce large numbers of Jews through mass conversion, under the influence of Hellenism. It was this tradition of conversions that prepared the ground for the subsequent, widespread dissemination of Christianity. After the victory of Christianity in the 4th century, the momentum of conversion was stopped in the Christian world, and there was a steep drop in the number of Jews. Presumably many of the Jews who appeared around the Mediterranean became Christians. But then Judaism started to permeate other regions - pagan regions, for example, such as Yemen and North Africa. Had Judaism not continued to advance at that stage and had it not continued to convert people in the pagan world, we would have remained a completely marginal religion, if we survived at all.”
end quote.
But "converts" are generally looked down upon (i.e. Rabbis are to reject their attempt at "conversion" 3 times before relenting, and much more). For example:
Quote- Even those few Gentiles who convert to Judaism with no attendant romantic interest in a Jew find their sincerity demeaned in the Jewish community. "It is assumed by those of a negative bent," says Brenda Forster, "even when the facts are known to be otherwise, that ... converts ... have convert[ed] for utilitarian reasons." [FORSTER, p. 76] Jewish identity, Laurence Epstein warns would-be converts, "... is something of an ethnocentric nature, such as the view that converts are not really Jewish, that only someone born Jewish could truly understand how a Jew feels." [EPSTEIN, p. 52]
end quote.
This article goes on to quote modern Jews saying that you really can't ever "convert" to Judaism, and that even if you in theory do somehow "convert" your never really accepted as a "true" Jew by the synagogue community, etc.
And again as Paul tried to respond to me, the genetic studies show that Jewish women around the world have VERY DIFFERENT genetic data! Again; Quote- Third, so far genetic research on the Semitic claim tends to focus more on the non-recombining parts of the male Y-Chromosome rather than on the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA of the Jews, which has defined ؟Jewishness؟ since Talmudic times.
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Jewish magazine- Hillel Halkin. "Jews and Their DNA." Commentary Magazine (September 2008). Excerpts: "Early studies of mitochondrial DNA reported that Jewish women, unlike Jewish men, did not correlate well with one another globally.
Quote- "Early studies of mitochondrial DNA reported that Jewish women, unlike Jewish men, did not correlate well with one another globally.
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Jewish females from the same backgrounds, on the other hand, yield opposite results: their mitochondrial DNA has markedly less resemblance to that of Jewish women from elsewhere than it does to that of non-Jewish women in the countries their families hailed from. ... In the absence of rabbis to perform conversions, they [Jewish immigrants to new lands] married local women who, while consenting to live as Jews, were not halakhically Jewish.
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So note Jews (Khazars) were found to be closely related to Kurds, Turkish Turks of Anatolia, and Armenians! Armenians lived and live up near the Caucasus Mountains region where the Khazar Empire was located.
http://www.netflix.com/Movie/National-Geographic-The-Human-Family-Tree/70122464
Briefly, it attempted to trace the DNA of a sample of people from all different races in NY City. It is over 90 minutes and exciting to watch. It compared African Americans, Porto Ricans, Turkish, Indian, Greek, ...etc. The narrator reached the family tree of every body except the Turkish couple after he matched everybody. Then he finally said these Turkish couple had 50% match with Achkenazic Jews. Go Figure; do you think that is a surprise!
When the dust settles and when this subject is no longer political for Zionist Jews, we shall find how these researchers & scientists of such studies have been biased (or influenced) in their judgments and conclusions. Note how most of these studies carefully compared Jews to most races except to the Turkic people!
Dr. Ariella Oppenheim (a famous "Israeli" geneticist, herself an "Israeli" Jew working at Hebrew University in "Israel")did a famous genetic study. Who were the original and ongoing (since neolithic times) inhabitants of Palestine e/Israel? Arabs, who converted to Judaism, Christianity, and now Islam
Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians,[15][16] together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times", albeit religiously first Christianized then largely Islamized, and all eventually culturally Arabized.[15] Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, it reaffirmed that Palestinian "Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan." Geneticist Michael Hammer praised "the study for 'focusing in detail on the Jewish and Palestinian populations.'"[15]
If the Jews of Eastern Europe did not come from Germany, why did they speak Yiddish, which is a Germanic language?
"The Jews were a class of people dependent on the German bourgeoisie in the East, and thus they adopted German words. Here I base myself on the research of linguist Paul Wechsler of Tel Aviv University, who has demonstrated that there is no etymological connection between the German Jewish language of the Middle Ages and Yiddish. As far back as 1828, the Ribal (Rabbi Isaac Ber Levinson) said that the ancient language of the Jews was not Yiddish. Even Ben Zion Dinur, the father of Israeli historiography, was not hesitant about describing the Khazars as the origin of the Jews in Eastern Europe, and describes Khazaria as 'the mother of the diasporas' in Eastern Europe. But more or less since 1967, anyone who talks about the Khazars as the ancestors of the Jews of Eastern Europe is considered naive and moonstruck."
Oh yes, Sand is an Ashkenakim and Yiddish speaker. Which leads me to a question for you more knowledgable than I. I know enough German to see that spoken Yiddish is pretty similar structurally. But Germanic is believed to originate in northern Europe and Khazars were part of a generally Mongol diaspora. How did their language get to be so germanic?
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Note that traditional Talmudic Judaism from early on has always stated that being allegedly somehow "racially Jewish" (note: Judaism is a religion not a race) is completely from matrilineal descent. This means since "Jewish women" do not correlate with each other globally there can be no "Jewish race" because the "Jewish mothers" are all converts and not even "Israelite" (whatever that means to start with as Canaanites once ruled the land and so did others).
end quote.
These are the Arab neighbors are Levantines who have been Arabized over time. And look as to where the Khazar Jewish Empire was located, it is near modern Armenia in the Caucasuses. Also in NY Times it showed 52% of Ashkenazi Levites have mDNA from Central Asia around the Caucasus and old Khazar lands!
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The history of that land goes back farther then the alleged "Israelites" with all different types of people from Canaanites, to the other countless tribes.
Also, please do not accuse the Talmud of preaching hate of gentiles. Many take parts of it out of context to make that appear so, but it is not the case.
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Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians,[13][14] together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times", albeit religiously first Christianized then largely Islamized, and all eventually culturally Arabized.[13] Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, it reaffirmed that Palestinian "Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan." Geneticist Michael Hammer praised "the study for 'focusing in detail on the Jewish and Palestinian populations.'"[13]
More refuting "Paul" on alleged "Jewish" (not even a race)- s upon which the research questions were formulated and the samples were selected. First, we do no have for sure any genetic material or DNA from the Biblical Israelites to compare and contrast with any existing genetic material or DNA from contemporary Jews. There is no proof that Michael Hammer؟s ؟cohanim markers؟ were those of Moses؟ brother, Aaron. Second, the Jews (like the Muslims and the Christians) were historically bound by religion (and are highly mixed), not by race or genes. Today the percentage of U.S. Jews under 35 who are married to non-Jews is 41 percent (Goodstein 2003). Third, so far genetic research on the Semitic claim tends to focus more on the non-recombining parts of the male Y-Chromosome rather than on the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA of the Jews, which has defined ؟Jewishness؟ since Talmudic times.
Jewish law says you have to have an alleged "Jewish mother" to be considered "ethnically" Jewish (which is a misnomer to begin with as Judaism is a religion NOT a race!). Research shows us different "Jewish" women around the world do not have the same type of mitochondrial DNA (mDNA) which is only given to children from women. We read from a Jewish magazine- Hillel Halkin. "Jews and Their DNA." Commentary Magazine (September 2008). Excerpts: "Early studies of mitochondrial DNA reported that Jewish women, unlike Jewish men, did not correlate well with one another globally. Meaning there are NO "Jewish" people, and no relation between "Jewish" women around the world who according to Jewish law (i.e. Talmudic law, etc.) have to give birth to the "Jewish" children.
Lastly, the dagger refuting the claims made by "Paul". Genetic scientists tell us; Quote- However, a follow-up study [Nebel et al. 2001] corrected that Jews were found to be more closely related to the peoples north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turkish "Turks" of Anatolia, and Armenians) than to the Arabic-speakers of Israel/Palestinian and other neighboring now Arabic-speaking Levantines.[101][102] 101- Nebel et al. 2001, The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East, Ann Hum Genet. 2001 Mar;70(2):195-206.[6] 102- Muir, Diana. "Genetics and the Jewish identity". Jpost.com. Levantines have true Palestinian DNA, unlike the Khazar "Jews" who are much more closely related to the Kurds, Turks, and Armenians north of the Fertile crescent region.
But that is not to say there has not been admixture, mind you, especially amongst the Ashkenazic Leviim who apparently may be descended from Khazars who decided to place themselves in positions they shouldn't have been. However, the strange genetic variants found amongst these Levites is not found along the Y Chromosomal lines of Ashkenazic Kohanim, who have the same genetic line as other Kohen groups (dating back 3,000 to the Near East)
Quote- Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians,[13][14] together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times", albeit religiously first Christianized then largely Islamized, and all eventually culturally Arabized.[13] Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, it reaffirmed that Palestinian "Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan." Geneticist Michael Hammer praised "the study for 'focusing in detail on the Jewish and Palestinian populations.'"[13]
13. Gibbons, Ann (October 30, 2000). "Jews and Arabs Share Recent Ancestry". ScienceNOW. American Academy for the Advancement of Science.
14. a b Hammer, et al. Figure 2: Plot of populations based on Y-chromosome haplotype data.
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However, a follow-up study [Nebel et al. 2001] corrected that Jews were found to be more closely related to the peoples north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turkish "Turks" of Anatolia, and Armenians) than to the Arabic-speakers of Israel/Palestinian and other neighbouring now Arabic-speaking Levantines.[98][99]
98) Nebel et al. 2001, The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East, Ann Hum Genet. 2001 Mar;70(2):195-206.
99) Muir, Diana. "Genetics and the Jewish identity". Jpost
guages.The "Yiddish" language is not a German dialect.The khazars
language adopted Hebrew characters.There is not one word of "yiddish" in ancient Hebrew-nor is there one word of ancient Hebrew in "yiddish". Source:Facts are facts" By Benjamin Freedman
"Early studies of mitochondrial DNA reported that Jewish women, unlike Jewish men, did not correlate well with one another globally.
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Jewish females from the same backgrounds, on the other hand, yield opposite results: their mitochondrial DNA has markedly less resemblance to that of Jewish women from elsewhere than it does to that of non-Jewish women in the countries their families hailed from. ... In the absence of rabbis to perform conversions, they [Jewish immigrants to new lands] married local women who, while consenting to live as Jews, were not halakhically Jewish.
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Ahad Ha'am also shared the belief that: "the Moslems [of Palestine] are the ancient residents of the land ... who became Christians on the rise of Christianity and became Moslems on the arrival of Islam."[79] David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben Zvi wrote in 1918 that Palestinian peasants and their mode of life were living historical testimonies to Israelite practices in the biblical period.[80]
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Following the Muslim conquest of Syria by Arabians, the formerly-introduced dominant languages of the area, Aramaic and Greek, were then replaced by the Arabic language introduced by the new conquering administrative minority.[101] Among the cultural survivals from pre-Islamic times are the significant Palestinian Christian community, and smaller Jewish and Samaritan ones, as well as an Aramaic and possibly Hebrew sub-stratum in the local Palestinian Arabic dialect.[102]
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While both the Palestinians and the world's distinct Jewish populations have mixed with invading and host populations respectively, Oppenheim's team found "that Jews have mixed more with other populations, which makes sense because they were more likely to leave the Levant.".[12]
The Khazars were a Turkic people and spoke a Turkic language. If modern Ashkenazi Jews are descended from them, how did they end up speaking Yiddish [Juedisch] which is essentially a dialect of German with borrowings from other languages (notably Hebrew) and with Hebrew script. Yiddish appears to have been the language of Jewish communities from Germany eastward, deep into Russia. I can understand that these people might, if they had been persecuted in western Europe (including England, France and Germany) carry their established tongue as they migrated eastward into Poland and Lithuania where they were at first encouraged by those governments. They might retain the Yiddish language, which they had presumably acquired while living in Germany, but why had they not earlier carried the Khazarian Turkish tongue westward?
Can anyone throw any light on this?
There is a great deal of Dispensational theology running throughout American Protestantism. The Dispensationalists misinterpret Genesis 12:1-2, thinking it applies to the modern nation-state of Israel, rather than to Christ. Therefore, they support Israel no matter how much evil Israel commits.
If the truth about the Khazaric nature of the Ashkenazi Jews were to become wide-spread knowledge amongst American Protestants -- even if they were to continue to hold to their Dispensationalist theological errors -- they might recognize the evil the Jews are committing and oppose it. In such a case, they would recognize that the Zionists are not descendants of Abraham, and are therefore not covered by the promise in Genesis 12:1-2.
If only the Dispensational Protestants knew their Bible better, this wouldn't matter. After all, "not all who are descended from Israel are Israel"!! (Romans 9:6) The Bible is very clear that it doesn't matter whether you are a Jew or a Gentile. God is gathering to Himself a People from every nation on the earth.
But given that the Dispensationalists do not know their Bibles very well (at least, they do not know the verse in Romans cited above), it may help to point out to them that the murderous Zionists currently running the modern nation-state of Israel are in no way descendants of Abraham.
Lord Have Mercy!!
Maybe an Ashkenazi state?
THE JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA: "Khazars, a NON- SEMITIC, ASIATIC, MONGOLIAN TRIBAL NATION who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish-speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania."
#2: How do you know that the Khazar military was Muslim? What relevence is it in the Palestinian plight?
#3: The Caliphate lost its attempt to rule the Khazar Empire, so what? Later, Khazaria succumbed to more powerful Byzantium and the Rus, So what?
More important - Palestine Remembered lists hundreds of Palestinian villages usurped by the Israelis. No attempt has been made to show which villages were Palestinian, and which villages were inhabited by foreigners, like Circassians, Serbs, Iraqis or Turks.
Separation of ethnic groups is not important when seeking a just solution. But to validate claims, if claimants migrated to and from Palestine, many ancient claims on the land may be overruled.
Let us seek justice, not victory based on stories of Khazar Jews, night flights to Haram al-Sharif, or denial of Davidic history.